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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.19 01:15:00 -
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Null Sec Guy: WTF, stealth can't get easy kills post
PVP Guy: Local makes you too safe though
Null Sec Guy: Cry moar
PVP Guy: Carebear
OK... now that we have got that out of the way... 
So I was cruising in null sec just now, thinking about local. Enjoying my stupidly overpowered and unstoppable/uncatchable/unbalanced interceptor. Thx CCP! And I got to thinking... sure I am a PVP guy that would not mind it if local disappeared all together. After all it is null sec and most people in null sec don't chat in local anyway. They chat on fleet coms and in alliance/corp chat.
So they do not need local in null... except ofc to see that I am there...
However, I discovered after some musings that I did not really minds the existence of local. It wasn't really local itself that was bugging me, it was when people would drag and drop my name into local and wave at me that was the problem. Hey Eternum 0/  I discovered that I did not mind it if they knew someone was there, I just didn't like it that they new exactly who was there.
So from providence to catch to delve I go... there and back again. Lighting up every channel along the way "Eternum is in GE-8JV" "Eternum is in AOK-WQ" five minutes later "Eternum Praetorian is in KWI-6T"
Further Musings
People who have not seen me... people who are docked... know exactly who is there. They thus have intel of what I fly, how I like to fly and who I tend to fly with. They know whether or not I tend to be a soloist, a blobber or a ganker. Whether I prefer small ships or big ships. Cheap ships or expensive ones. As I blaze a path through three regions of null... everyone and anyone is keeping tabs on me like I am their favorite reality TV show.
That was the part of it that I didn't like.
Rebalance Null Sec Local?
I, a PVP guy, get that a null sec without local would have a great deal of negative effects for the game. Putting aside the fact that 10 null bears can be permadocked by a single Eternum they KNOW is only flying a solo Taranis (and how classically lame that is) no local would make it harder for people to encounter one another. It would make it harder for people to feel like they are surrounded by their allies. And... it would make it harder to meet new friends like me!
It's just that... well... If only my picture and name was not just floating there for all to see all of the time.
 Solution?
Is it not reasonable to have the option to hide ones presence in local? But have a static pod count in local? This would be good for PVP'ers and Null Bears alike. Null bears could hide their presence in local and mine or rat if they wanted to. They could all decide to NOT hide their presence so they would always know if an unknown is lurking about. All they would have to do is glance at pilot count and compare it to pod count. Plus 1 pod means RUUUUUUNNNNN!!!!!!!1111111111111
Ya know... just like it does now.
Except, PVP'ers like me also get benefits. In my case they don't know me from the next guy. That is all I really want...
How about all of you?
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1178
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Posted - 2014.06.19 01:20:00 -
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Rowells wrote:I'm geussing those preemptive insults were because you've sen these threads before.
Should have stopped there.
The first null guy hopelessly reliant on his easy button local speaks. Dude, you can still know someone is there without knowing who is there.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.19 01:44:00 -
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Man you null guys really are scared ****less aren't you
WTF does it matter if you still know that someone is there? Why do you HAVE to know who is there? What is the gain? I don't get it.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1178
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Posted - 2014.06.19 01:48:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:Personally, I'd like to see Local in Null and Low modified to where you appear on Local for some limited time after passing through a gate -- and then your "presence" is dropped from Local unless you actively post to Local.
It simulates the reasonable concept that a jumpgate notes your arrival and therefore that simple fact is updated to "Local".
After "x" number of minutes, let's say 5 for argument's sake, you no longer appear in Local unless you broadcast deliberately.
It can be argued that npc Empire factions have all kinds of apparatus in each system to keep track of any capsuleer's whereabouts. Big Brother is always watching.
In the deep dark of Null, nobody gives a damn. And certainly not the passive apparatus of Empire factions -- because it doesn't exist out there.
That seems too one sided towards the PVP side of things. Everyone would become an AFK cloaker in any ship they wanted. So, as cool as that would be I cannot agree.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.19 01:55:00 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:I have to say I think this feature or idea has potential. The nuts and bolts could make things difficult.
Do you envisage local visibility being set by individual pilots with a click of a button at any time? Do you think there should be a countdown timer between local visibility activations/deactivations?
Do you envisage alliances being given the tools to set their whole alliance visibility?
Do you envisage this feature being limited to 0.0 or used in low sec and/or high sec as well? If you believe that different sec status should impact on local's structure, why?
Thx for a constructive and engaging post, it is a nice change of pace 
Individual Pilot Activation: Yes. And everything in eve has a timer so IMO it would not matter if this had one.
Alliance Given Tools To Set Their Whole Alliance Visible: If I was in an alliance I think that I would like this feature. It would prevent stupid people in any given alliance from making life difficult for everyone else.
So i'd say yes. That seems like a good idea. You should run for CSM
Feature Limited to 0.0: I don't think this should be an empire feature. Null, Low Sec and Empire are meant to be different environments in the game with different levels of risk and reward. So as much as I would love to wardec people in empire as much as I want with complete invisibility... i'd have to say no. I don't think this would be good for the game as an empire feature.
Low Sec I am indifferent. It could go either way.
But Null Sec... it seems like it is a worthy feature. I mean think about it, Empire has a static local, Null has a pod count and wormholes have nothing. That would be ballanced.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1178
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Posted - 2014.06.19 02:00:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:I'm on this eternum guys side of the fence in all honesty. Local should show how many people in system but not details. In low and null.
Why?
There is a large amount of pilots up for this but the vocal null sec isk milkers would not wish it and thus it won't be. Null sec is full of carebears it's really that simple, why would you want it to change aye? Sure you need to keep and hold your SOV, turns out local means you don't need to actually patrol it to keep your renters safe. nope, you just need region wide intel channels and a cyno. I'm not wrong, null sec players know i'm not wrong yet still you'll all hate to see this boat rocked.
Yeah god forbid we should actually be able to use our space to rat in.
Null sec is not empire. If you can't cut it don't live there.
It is the deepest, darkest, most profitable and most lawless region of the eve universe. Rat in it all you like, but you are supposed to defend it too. And not just from other sov holders, from anyone who wants to rain on your parade.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1178
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Posted - 2014.06.19 02:02:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Attentive PVEers in null have a tool that allows them to avoid confrontations they can't survive - clearly this should be taken from them so they can be even easier targets. 
WTF are you talking about?
A pod count is exactly the same as what you have now, just without the character's name. What changes? Add something tangible to this argument one way or the other so we can at least discuss it.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.19 02:07:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:WTF are you talking about?
A pod count is exactly the same as what you have now, just without the character's name. What changes? Add something tangible to this argument one way or the other so we can at least discuss it. What changes, indeed? Why are you even making this proposal, then?
You have not posted a single valid counter argument so far... except for the fact that you want to keep your super stupid easy button. Even CCP stated that they wanted to do away with local but now it is too engrained to do so.
So what is YOUR reasoning on this matter?
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1178
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Posted - 2014.06.19 02:08:00 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:
The only thing that I would have concerns over is the status of low sec. The proposed system could make pipe ganks in low sec extremely easy. Having the same system for low sec and high sec could make the transition from empire to 0.0 of future potential 0.0 players from even more difficult than it currently is.
I think you are probably right. Got any ideas?
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1178
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Posted - 2014.06.19 02:14:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I can't really counter arguments if you haven't even made any.
Sorry, a forum is meant for discussion and that doesn't work. All I want is for people to not know my name when I am there... I don't care if they know that I am there.
That is a fair and balanced proposition.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1178
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Posted - 2014.06.19 02:18:00 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:
The only thing that I would have concerns over is the status of low sec. The proposed system could make pipe ganks in low sec extremely easy. Having the same system for low sec and high sec could make the transition from empire to 0.0 of future potential 0.0 players from even more difficult than it currently is.
I think you are probably right. Got any ideas? Nope. Making a feature to allow all types of game play that involves a transition through 3 different security zones, is opening a bag of cats.
Hmmmmmm... .. Maaaaybe....
Low Sec is about factions and sec status right? Maybe somehow local could reflect that in low sec. Like... instead of my picture, a picture of my corporation. My faction. A pirate skull representing my -10 status or something.
Might that be a viable (enough) of a transition?
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.19 02:35:00 -
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Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:[
That's what you got from 'patrol your space'? Wow, you either have no imagination or you are so used to arguing against changes to local that you're not actually putting any thought into what 'could' be.s
I know right, when you said that I thought more along the lines of "you and you dock up and go pwn this guy". Rage cage the gate and get his ass. That is what you "badasses" in null sec are supposed to do right?
Miners these days have nothing to fear from my little interceptor either. I can just float and sputter as a fleet of mining procurers deal 1,000 dps and 10 drones each. How many inty's do you think that could **** if they had even the slightest fleet coordination?
Maybe you just forgot what "being a major null sec alliance" is supposed to mean.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1186
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Posted - 2014.06.19 12:17:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:
Your only argument for removing Local is to make finding fights easier.
Removing Local makes all these other usages I've described more difficult..
My dear Sibyyl, being that all alliances but CVA operate under a NBSI flag. If you had all blues visible to you in local + 1 pod (in the proposed pod count) that was unaccounted for in local... then, you would have the exact same intel as you have right now wouldn't you? You can run and dock up per usual.
The only thing you lose is the character's name.
So nothing is made more difficult for you as you suggest. Everything for you remains the same except for the fact that you don't get instant identification of who is in local 10 jumps away while you are docked in station. No one should have that power, it is a poorly designed game mechanic. It is just now so ancient and engrained in EVE that it is not obvious to people anymore. You're living in NULL sec. Null sec not Empire. That should mean something.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1186
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Posted - 2014.06.19 12:54:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:And seriously, hiding me in Local makes my job mining rocks a lot easier. I'd be happy if that change was made. You don't want this. It's a terrible way to suck a lot of content out of 0.0.
How does knowing that there is a pod in local... but not exactly you in local, make your job easier?
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1187
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Posted - 2014.06.19 13:04:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:
you still have provided no reason for a change beyond "i don't like it"
Sure i have you just don't like it.
Benny Ohu wrote:noone gets instant identification of someone ten jumps away
WTF world are you living in? Do you really expect any of us to believe that?
Benny Ohu wrote:No one should have that power, it is a poorly designed game mechanic.
yes they should and no it's not.
Why? Why should people docked many systems away know that specifically I am there? This is not the spirit in which EVE Online was founded. Even the devs stated that local could use some fixing, it is just that people like you cry quarts every time a fair improvement is submitted.
Mostly... because you have no real PVP skill and do not realize that such a change would hardly effect you at all.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1187
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Posted - 2014.06.19 13:16:00 -
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Agondray wrote:Another stealth chat thread
IB4L
Your alliance name VOID Intergalactic Forces makes me think you live in null and really, really like your local.
Sorry to break it to you but this is a legitimate discussion on a relevant topic. ISD's have no business locking a thread like this until it goes south.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.19 17:42:00 -
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WTF is it with this "new EVE"
This was a general discussion on what people thought about this subject, this was not submitted as a new feature and idea. How the hell could it be a new feature and idea discussion if the threads purpose was to collect and discuss thoughts on this matter?
Doesn't it bother anyone else that the ISD's new mandate is to bury issues like this and lock every single thread pertaining to AFK cloaking? What is wrong with you people... what happened to the eve uproar I used to know and love?
Well... time to make some AFK cloaking threads I guess. Peace out.
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